Should newer movie actors be at Dukesfest? [Archive]

Brian Coltrane

11-06-2007, 09:37 AM

I could see letting Byron Cherry ( Coy ) be a part of DukesFest. He's a decent guy. I saw him at appearances at Cooter's Place back when it was in Virginia, and he treated the fans very well.

I don't know whatever happened to Christopher Mayer. ( Vance ) He's never made a Dukes appearance in the past 10 years that I know of. But hell, if we have Coy, we might as well have Vance. I doubt if that would ever happen, though, because even after all these years, Tom and John wouldn't appreciate their presence.

I'd like to see Don Pedro Colley ( Sheriff Little) at DukesFest. He was at a couple of 'em in the past, but it seems when Ben cast out the "Official Dukes of Hazzard Fan Club" , from DukesFest - for reasons I won't get into here - Don Pedro disappeared with them. I'm sure he'd participate in DukesFest again if he was invited.

Which makes me think of something. TimDuke, do you think the "Official" Dukes club will show up at the next DukesFest? Food for thought. I'm NOT in favor of it, for the record. Nothing against the members ( if there are any ) but the leadership hasn't shown itself to hold any integrity. That being said, I'm not sure there's a way to keep them out. Ben had banned Aneesh and Marky from the event for life, but now that John is running the show, this issue could surface again.

I also wonder if Travis Bell will roll in to Atlanta. Heck with worrying about the movie actors, I think the real intrigue will be who shows up in the Dukes fandom and what the hell happens from there. Heh.

TimDuke

11-06-2007, 11:24 PM

I can't say,I still am a member there. I don't know the entire story on why Marky was banned.I never realized Aneesh was too.I thought the problem was solely Markys fault because I was at that Dukesfest when it happened and Aneesh was there even after Marky was kicked out.I've only heard Aneesh's side of the story.If you want you can private message me about anything you know about the situation.Now that John is in control it should be open for that club to come.After all they started Dukesfest before it was called Dukesfest not many people realize that there may not have been Dukesfest if it weren't for this club.Tavis Bell I don't know if he'd have the courage to show his face or not.I think he and John are still friends last I knew but he isn't liked by many other castmembers.In fact despised by 2 of them and all of the stunt crew. He is despised buy almost everyone that has a Lee replica so I don't see him coming. If I had the resources I'd ask Aneesh about him possibly handing the reigns over to me as I was one of the founding members. I just don't have the money or the time to do it.

RogerDuke

11-07-2007, 02:29 AM

It's good to hear from Tim and Brian again.
I agree, only original series cast member should be invited. If any decision is made to do otherwise, I think a lot of people will boycott it. It would not only be a bad business decision, it would undermine the intergrity of everything the Dukes of Hazzard stands for. Those people don't deserve that honor any more than Osama Bin Laden deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. I'm gone.

LoriDavenport

11-07-2007, 03:43 AM

I agree with Tim that cast from 2 movies should not be invited to Dukesfest.
But does that go for guys that played Vance and Coy? It's not there fault on how they where made to be twins to Bo and Luke. They are just as much a part of the dukes cast. So should they be allowed at Dukesfest?

i whole heartedly agree with you about Coy and Vance and I think they should be allowed. But really, If the actors want to go as just tourists and such then yea, but we all know thatd never happen. But i really aint against it or fer it.

RogerDuke

11-08-2007, 03:36 AM

Just to clarify my last post...when I wrote "original series cast members" I am refering to anybody from the 7 years including Coy and Vance. I don't think anyone would interpret that to mean that only Bo and Luke are the "original" but I just wanted to make sure that it was clear that I'm okay with Coy and Vance.

DaisyMaeDuke

11-08-2007, 06:57 PM

You know, I agree with all of you... I don't think the newer movie actors should be allowed. John once said when asked about the movie that "it was true to whatever it was...I'm just not sure what it was." It wasn't Dukes. Part of John's reason for making Collier was because these movies that grossed so much money were not in the wholesome spirit that the original Dukes brought to television. I cannot see John inviting them because of this and also because one of John's goals is to make the tv a family friendly passtime... and I am pretty sure Dukesfest will be the same way. Nothing against the actors, but not one of them are known for their family-friendly appearances.

Laura Duke

11-13-2007, 09:16 PM

I might get some tail feathers ruffled this time, and I definately don't want to offend anyone, but I have a different take on this question.
While I can see why you feel this way, I also think they should be allowed-with permission from the original cast and crew. After all, it is Dukes of Hazzard. No one can replace the original-never! But, if Coy and Vance can go, shouldn't everyone else?
Remember, these are actors following a script and a director. As I was reminded, this is the same thing that Coy and Vance were doing.
Just a thought.

Laura Duke

General Grant

11-13-2007, 10:37 PM

I hope that y'all aren't rolling yer eyes and saying, "Oh, no, Not another LONG message from General Grant! That General Grant is always giving long winded opinions!" Sorry, y'all! Here goes:

WOW! First off, let me say that you just wrote something we can all learn from, Laura Duke. "Remeber, these actors are following a script and a director. As I was reminded, this is the same thing Coy and Vance were doing." Amazing point. I never thought of that, and you are so right about that. But, I also believe that the Dukes of Hazzard was a whole lot more than what that appauling movie portrayed. Again, I say it... Shock and Horror filled me! I think that the cast of the movie should get invited to Dukesfest, but they should have to pay to get in like the rest of us! I must say, that I am really humbled by y'all saying Coy and Vance should be allowed and it has, once again, proven to me how welcoming you can be and I commend y'all for that! I think that the movie never should have been released. I'd be more than happy to end the Dukes movies, and not watch the movies, if that is how they are going to be. Dang it all, we like the heart and soul that went into the production of the Dukes series. We don't like the horrible immitation(and I am not refering to Coy and Vance, just for the record!) junk that the shoved onto the television, put a '69 Charger on the screen, yelled Yeehaw, and called it the Dukes. It just didn't have the heart and soul of the original cast and crew, nor did it have the valuable lessons that people now days need more than ever. It makes me wonder how many kegs of Jesse's shine they downed before they made the decision to produce that movie and to allow it come onto the big screen! But my answer to the question was I think they should get a warm Hazzard welcome, but make 'em pay to get in! Khee! Else, we could give the Boss Hogg finale and let them in for free, but charge them twice the going rate to let them out. Khee! I love it! Hot pursuit!
Anyway, to borrow a line from Laura Duke, I hope that I didn't ruffle anyone's tail feathers!
I'm Gone,
General Grant

TimDuke

11-14-2007, 02:01 AM

Laura allowed with permission from the original cast? Isn't gonna happen.I think I can speak for 2 of them and they wouldn't want them there and likely wouldn't come themselves if John would happen to invite them which isn't likely.Now if they came and paid admission to get in (yeah right) like everybody else then that is a whole different story.That is beyond anyones control,as long as they aren't invited guest and advertised as being there.As I say inviting them would result in at least 2 original castmembers to not show up do you really want that to happen? Don't worry General Grant I think WB maybe through with doing anymore Dukes projects.They have auctioned off a lot of movie Lees most if not all the main camera cars .Why would they do that if they planned to do more? They still have quite a few Lees but still the important ones the got rid of.

Laura Duke

11-14-2007, 01:39 PM

Oh boy....I think that I really upset some people. I'm truly sorry if I did, that really isn't what I want to do.
I just feel that as Duke fans, we really need to show our "southern hospitality" more than ever. Yes, the movie was horrible, but they were trying to give us another Duke movie. But, banning the actors from Dukefest? Shouldn't we be banning the writers? Now, if the cast from the movie were total jerks to the original cast, that could be a whole different story.
Plus, it seems that if we all stuck together and showed our hospitality, but also voiced what we didn't like, wouldn't somebody see this and want to try to please us? Well, maybe not, but why change? I would love for Duke fans to be full of adventure, fun, and hospitality.
Besides, when the original cast members don't want all the work involved in Dukefest, who will continue it? For example, James Best still goes, but he's in no shape to be running the show. Who will then? Shouldn't we show those who really want to put their heart and soul into a new and better-improved Dukes of Hazzard movie that we love the show, and we'll be behind you-just don't make us look bad!:-P
I mean really, when you look back on the first couple of shows from the Dukes of Hazzard, the same humor is kind of on the movie. Now, I don't want to make a ton of excuses for the movie they refer to as the Dukes, because frankly, it was really bad. But, I just think it is a little extreme to tell the cast not to come to Dukefest. I know that if I got to be in the movie, and if it didn't go as well to Duke fans as I would have liked, I would hope that they would not ban me from Dukefest.
Am I making any sense? Please...don't get upset. This is just one opinion.

Laura Duke

TimDuke

11-14-2007, 10:16 PM

Laura I understand what your trying to say. This is all speculation anyway just for the sake of discussion. John is running Dukesfest now so it's really up to him on who he invites and who he doesn't. We can make suggestions but that's it. I just feel that none of the movie actors should be "invited" guest. If they choose to pay their own way in that is different.That is not the same as banning them. As I said if they were invited you would surely lose at least 2 original cast members because they don't want to associate with those people nor do some of them want to associate with Coy and Vance for that matter.. They considered that movie a slap in the face to all their hardwork they did for 7 seasons. If it were me running it I would keep it just for the TV series personel only as far as invitations.

General Grant

11-15-2007, 12:47 AM

Not to go sticking my nose where it don't belong, but... I was somewhat surprised at the level of intensity. I think we are straying from the subject at hand and we, as Dukes, I think are starting to disregard the feelings and opinions of people who don't have the same exact opinion or thought. I think we should learn from eachother, and together (as a family) try to be patient, listen and learn from one another and not get all upset. Now I understand that this is, infact, a sticky subject, but shouldn't we let our Duke side show and approach it with confidence in ourselves and our fellow Duke fans. But at the same time, approach with an understanding that we are all here together and we just should NOT let the subject throw chaos into a wonderful place. That certainly is not what the Dukes would do.

Laura, I understand completely what you are saying, I think that you may have given us a deeper understanding as to what the Dukes really are all about. I understand what everyone else is saying, but Laura Duke, you just proved what the Dukes are about. Sure, the movie is not the same, and never will compare to the original. They picked up on the wrong things and threw into the movie what they thought we all liked, but they were wrong. I think we can all learn something here from Laura Duke... we Dukes may not like the movie or the actors, but the Dukes would bend over backwards to help anyone, and to make them feel welcome, and they would do it lovingly, even if it were that movie! I hope you understand what I'm sayin' and I would like to thank you Laura Duke, you just showed me something I was lackin' when I wrote the previous post about this same subject. Thank you, I just learned a very valuable lesson!

General Grant

Laura Duke

11-16-2007, 03:54 PM

Great words of wisdom, General Grant. You have such a great perspective on everything.
Also, I can personally say that I really have enjoyed getting to know all of the great Hazzard fans on HazzardNet-ya'll are great! But, if I have offended or upset anyone, I'm sorry about that.

Have a great weekend, everyone!
Laura Duke

General Grant

11-20-2007, 08:58 PM

Thanks Laura Duke!
Yeehaw! I for one can say that you have not upset or offended me. I don't think any of us Dukes would be offended by someone simply stating what they think. Thank you for your input, fellow Duke!

General Grant:D

Capt_Redneck

12-19-2007, 02:30 AM

Some people who enjoyed the movie wouldn't mind them being there. Plus it would be very unDuke like to snub the event because they didn't like the movie. To me that isn't a stand on principles but a sign of immaturity.

After all if the 2005 movie wasn't made, would there be this level of fandom? Personally I think not. CMT, ABC Family, WB revived the franchise and pushed it to the next level. I know the "true" Dukes fans will say different.

Like I have said from the beginning, nothing will ever beat the original. But the 2005 movie sure was fun.

I could care less if I ruffle any feathers with this.

I'm Back
Darrell

General Grant

12-19-2007, 11:15 PM

Hey Y'all!

I agree with what you are sayin' 'bout not going to the event because you don't like the movie, but, I also understand that everyone shows their displeasure in a different way. How ever, I did't like the movie at all. I think the producers picked up on all of the wrong things in the making of that film. I didn't see any of the moral lessons, or qualities that make the Dukes series a real winner. Although some will disagree, that is my opinion that yes, the action and chemistry of characters made the show fun, but the lessons involved made it a winner. Not just by Hollywood's criteria. I think that is why a lot of people really could understand the show. For one hour every week, there was someone to show compassion, forgiveness, friendship, and teach you a very valuable lesson. You just don't find that on TV anymore. I am very thankful for coming across the Dukes series!
With all of that said, I don't think we should ban the actors if they want to come to Dukefest and I don't think y'all should ruin a good time by not going. But, I also think we should make it known to them that the movie is not what we are supporting, it is the series.

Hope no one got upset by anything I said, if they did, I am really sorry. I just wanted to voice my opinion, but if it upset anyone, I would be more than happy to talk about it! That is not what I would ever want to do, is upset a fellow cousin!

General Grant

RogerDuke

12-20-2007, 03:02 PM

I would suspect that the actors in these 2 newer Dukes movies are intelligent enough to know that what they are doing is dramatically different than what was done with the original series. I think we all agree that nobody should be excluded from attending Dukesfest but the issue is how much to celebrate their presence. I remember when I went to a car show in Pennsylvania back in the early 80s and met Cooter, the event was advertised as featuring two celebrities...Ben Jones and some girl who was Playboy's playmate of the year. Needless to say, the line to meet Cooter was a couple hundred feet long and there wasn't a single person in the line to meet the playmate. My point is that, even if these "new Dukes" show up there won't be much interest in them anyway. I'm sure they would have more people in line to meet them than the playmate did but I think they would be embarrassing themselves if they think they would draw much of a crowd. The bottom line is that the shows organizers (like John and Ben) are smart enough to know that if you have to pay "new Dukes" $100,000 to make an appearence, ticket sales will NOT increase by $100,000 so you've lost money. It's all about supply and demand and there's just not much demand for "new Dukes". I don't know how much that playmate was paid but since she didn't sell tickets, the events organizers lost money from that decision. Dukesfest organizers are too smart to make that mistake.

TimDuke

12-20-2007, 11:31 PM

As I said this is a hypothetical discussion.As long as someone of the original cast is in charge of Dukesfest I don't ever see the movie actors invited.John is smart enough to know that the majority of fans as this poll has indicated do not want them there or could care less if they were and know other castmembers don't want them either. I don't have a problem with them being there as long as they aren't paid to be there.If they choose to come and pay their own way in it is ok with me.I would just not support any of them by buying any stuff from them. I do know Byron has been invited by John and will be there barring unforseen things.

General Grant

12-21-2007, 02:29 AM

Hey Y'all!

Is Byron really coming, I heard that somewhere else on the site. I am really happy about that. I think that Byron, and Christopher, both deserve it. I think we, as Dukes fans, owe them that much. I really felt bad for them because they came on, helped out the show, not to mention Bo and Luke, and were then cast out and treated like outsiders. In my book, they are as much a part of the Duke family as Bo and Luke, and Tom and John. So, I think that is a really great thing that Byron got invited and is coming. Good for Him! I think that we should welcome them with open minds, and I for one believe that Byron seems like a great person, and that we should show what we are made of, by welcoming him to Hazzard!
So far, in books and such, I have really heard them cut down for coming onto the Dukes, but on the site, for the most part y'all showed the compassion and loyalty to the other half of the family that make us Dukes who we are. Thank you for that!
As for the newer actors, I did say earlier on that they should pay their own way, but Laura Duke also wrote somethings that made me think that maybe we should welcome them too if they want to be there. Afterall, that is what the Dukes would do. Give 'em compassion, welcome them, and throw in a little common sense, and I think that everyone will know where we stand. I really think that if we welcome them but let them know that we support the series and not the junk they put on TV with the Dukes name on it they will get the message. But, the key is that we hold the responsibility to do it in a loving manner, and not go startin' a war between the fans of the series and the fans of the movie!
Hope I didn't upset anyone.
General Grant

Capt_Redneck

12-21-2007, 02:50 AM

As for the newer actors, I did say earlier on that they should pay their own way, but Laura Duke also wrote somethings that made me think that maybe we should welcome them too if they want to be there. Afterall, that is what the Dukes would do. Give 'em compassion, welcome them, and throw in a little common sense, and I think that everyone will know where we stand. I really think that if we welcome them but let them know that we support the series and not the junk they put on TV with the Dukes name on it they will get the message. But, the key is that we hold the responsibility to do it in a loving manner, and not go startin' a war between the fans of the series and the fans of the movie!
Hope I didn't upset anyone.
General Grant

Heck the war already started about the 2005 movie. I guess I was the one standing alone about the movie. I grew up on the series and LOVED the 05 movie, one of a few who did on any Dukes site. But that is another story.

Dukesfest should be about the Dukes, all Dukes including Byron Cherry and Christopher Mayer.

Would anybody have any issues if a 2005 movie car was there or any of stunt crew from the movie? I highly doubt it, just as long as the actors aren't there, right? . To me that is wrong. I understand that every one holds the TV show sacred, me included and Dukesfest was intended about the series. But I still wouldn't mind seeing the new Dukes.

Darrell

RogerDuke

12-21-2007, 03:32 AM

General Grant

12-21-2007, 05:30 PM

Hey Y'all!

I am sure that the fans would want nothing less than the car, crew, and actors from the series. Now, y'all, don't get me wrong here, but the movie actors get their time to shine almost every day. Dukefest should be the time for the series to shine! I agree about what you are sayin' about Byron and Christopher being able to come. I don't think we should ban the movie actors from coming, but I think that is not really their place to come. I don't know, I think that if they were to come, we should welcome them, but in the meantime, we should stand for what we believe in, and I believe in the series! I really think that the movie took out all moral that the Dukes had in it, and it would be a shame for everyone to think that the movie is a very fair representation of the series.
Hope y'all don't get all upset over any of this!

I'll catch y'all later
General Grant

Capt_Redneck

12-21-2007, 10:27 PM

...as long as Willie Nelson didn't start smoking pot in the Dukesfest outhouse and come out so high that he really did think he was Uncle Jesse.
(Sorry Darrell, I'm only being a smart aleck 'cause I know you're the toughest redneck on the Hazzardnet and can handle my sarcasim without crying)

That one I 1000% agree with ya on. Had no place in teh orignal movie or the unrated one either.

Drugs are the one thing I against big time.

Laura Duke

12-22-2007, 06:50 PM

Whoa! Take it easy there, Capt_Redneck, I can feel your blood pressure rising from here!:)

There has been a lot of discussion on this since I left. There is so much back-and-forth, I'm kind of having a hard time about what all of this is about! But, I've been known to be confused often! So forgive me if I'm talking about something that you weren't even talking about-get it?:)

Okay, another opinion to add. First of all, I am really in no way happy about Coy and Vance coming onto the show. Now, Byron and Christopher are probably wonderful people, but I don't feel a connections when they portray Coy and Vance. So, to be honest, I wouldn't even bother to stand in line at Dukesfest to meet them. Poor Duke behavior, I know. But, to me, it was like in the show, "Duke of Duke" when a prison inmate was imitating Gaylord Duke. I feel like Coy and Vance are imitations of Bo and Luke.

But, if Coy and Vance were to come to Dukesfest, it would make others happy, and they never were bad for the show-like they didn't swear or anything, so for that reason, I have no problem.

This is where I get confused at myself: letting the 2005 cast members in. Part of me says that they should be more than welcomed. They probably saw the series as a kid, and how many of us would leap at the chance to play our favorite character on the Dukes of Hazzard?

But, what kind of role models are we bringing to Dukesfest? If we allow them to come, it almost seems like a slap in the face. We want Dukes to be remembered as the "good ol' boys." Uncle Jesse NEVER allowed swearing, he got very upset whenever Bo, Luke, or Daisy swore. And, to hear Wille Nelson AS Jesse Duke swear, that was a HUGE shock!

Plus, I feel that if the cast can't come, I wouldn't want the crew to come. They are the ones that made up the script. So, the cast shouldn't be the only ones on the burner, it's the crew, too. They are also the ones that made it possible. Obviously the crew has no clue what the Dukes is about.

Also, I feel that there is no shame when there were people who said that they wouldn't go to Dukesfest. Some of the best things got changed in the world because people boycotted things, that is the best way to get people to listen. There's a lot of people in the world (especially producers) who listen to an empty paycheck like Boss Hogg. So, I don't look down on people who wouldn't go to Dukesfest.

Well, enough said, I think that you get the idea.

All of you have a wonderful Christmas!:wink:

Laura Duke

General Grant

12-24-2007, 12:03 AM

Said perfectly Laura Duke! I love the way you stated everything. I don't think that even Jesse could have done that better! You said a couple of things that I never thougt of, about Jesse not allowing swearing and such.
I totally agree with you about boycotting. I believe in resolving things peacefully and not resorting to violence. So, I think that boycotting an event that you love so dearly, like Dukefest, is a very noble thing for a person to do. That is absolutely NOT a sign of immaturity. So, to all of you who would boycott Dukefest if the new cast/crew came on... I say, that if it is truly what you believe in, and that is your principles that you are backing up, then I would say good for you. I know that would be so hard to pass up going to Dukefest, but if you believed that it would really show what us Dukes are all about it is a very noble gesture. But, then again, I also think that you shouldn't ruin a great time!
For Example:
Rosa Parks boycotted the bus system. She was standing firm on her priciples, does that mean that she was just immature. Not at all. I think that was a great thing for her to do. (Sorry Laura Duke, but I had to borrow your idea there!)
But, I would like to thank the lot of you who actually care about people, and their principles and beliefs. I really do appreciate that kind of attitude. It makes everything run a whole lot smoother!
I also understand that this is a hypothetical. Duke fans, myself included, have a tendency to speak on a question, feeling what they would if it were to actually happen. So, I am sorry TimDuke, that this is getting so out of proportion! But, I am sure you know how it is with us Duke fans!
Anyway, I hope that you keep up the good work, Laura Duke. I really enjoyed what you posted below, and would like to thank you for getting your point(s) across in such a great, positive way.
General Grant

Garrett Duke

12-26-2007, 03:37 AM

I have skimmed through the responses here and figured that I'd give my two cents worth on the question.

I have gone to Dukefest for the last four years and in my experience, Dukefest has always been about the television show...I think they should keep it that way. Dukefest has always been family friendly and I think by welcoming the movie crew or cast into Dukefest, you will be taking all that away. Why ruin a good thing?

Well, there is my two cents!

Laura Duke

12-26-2007, 03:55 PM

Garrett Duke,
I like how you put all of that. How come you can put how you feel in a sentence or two, and it takes me forever to write just about the same thing that you put in a paragraph?!?:p

But, thanks for your input! I am definately open to how everyone else feels about this, even though this is just a hypothetical.

Keep in 'tween the ditches, ya'll!

Laura Duke

Garrett Duke

12-27-2007, 03:01 AM

You are welcome Laura - it is interesting to hear what people have to say about the subject. Though I am really glad to hear that it is only hypothetical ;).

General Grant

12-27-2007, 05:04 PM

Well Said Garrett Duke!
You really know how to get your point across in a short amount of space, and you are really respectful of the other opinions.
You said that wonderfully! Keep it up!
General Grant
If this is how much uproar was caused by a hypothetical, I'd hate to see what would happen if it was announced that it was really going to happen!

Capt_Redneck

12-27-2007, 05:22 PM

It is interesting to see people's reactions to hypothetical situations.

I say bring it on - let em' announce Johnny Knoxville and Sean William Scott will be at DukesFest 2008 . Just kidding. :-P

Ya'll know my opinion on the movie and if not go over to the movie section and read some of my posts.

It wouldn't matter to me one way or another if they were there or not. But I wouldn't cause such an uproar about it if they were.

I'm back
Darrell

Brian Coltrane

12-31-2007, 09:15 AM

I'll say this much - if Johnny Knoxville and Sean William Scott did end up at DukesFest, you'd have at least 2 short lines for autographs. Heh heh.

Jessica Simpson would be the one person from the 2005 movie who would probably want to "star" at Dukesfest. She's desperate for media attention. I doubt Knoxville and Scott would go anywhere near it.

Heck, once the football season is over and Jessica's photo-op chances dry up because her quarterback boyfriend, Tony Romo, is finally out of the news for awhile....she'll have nothing better to do.

Maybe we should ring up Jessica's people and tell 'em to get in touch with John's people, and get her Dukesfest appearance lined up. Sound good?

Welcome back, Darrell!