General Lee with no Flag???

[Sway Duke]

After a call to Cooter's Place, and some research, I will go ahead and confirm to all of you that the Confederate Flag will not, I repeat WILL NOT be on the 68/69 Dodge Charger. It will have the 01, and the General Lee name, but NO flag. How yall like them apples? Kinda tart ain't they? Leaves a bad taste in my mouth to be quite honest. Political Correctness can kiss my Rebel Arse. I will be avidly PROTESTING this movie in my area.

[travelerF150]

That's odd cause just a week ago on the Speed channel they showed W.B.'s concept for the car and it was exactly the same except it had 18 inch chrome rims and a crome bumper guard.

[DaneyDuke]

Sway/Cameron Morrison,

Who exactly was it that you spoke to at Cooter’s Place that gave you the information? What websites did you go to for research?

Thank you,

Daney

[Capt_Redneck]

I saw the same thing on Speed too....Still not sure on the chrome though.....

[Dee Duke]

I think people need to get over the rebel flag or atleast just for this movie. If the General Lee doesn't have the flag on the roof, then why even call it the General Lee. Wouldn't people get made that's it call the General Lee since it was fought for the South. So it's now just a charger with 01 on it, that's not the Lee if it doesn't have the flag. What's the deal with the crome? If they make it a Next Generation Dukes I.......... will still see it but I won't be happy

[Capt_Redneck]

Welcome to Hazzaed(net) Dee....

I think the General Lee is as much part of the Dukes and America. It is a car that almost everyone knows about, eeven if they never saw the show, they know where it was from. Hollywood can do anything they want. BUT to take the flag off the car , in my opinion only, will make people , like me, think twice about the movie in that we all know what the car should look like. The General Lee is as much a star of that show as the actors. Look at the movie Starsky & Hutch, they used the same car from the TV show, because people are familiar with the car.

The flag needs to be there. Either way , the studio will do what it wants..

Darrell

[Brian Coltrane]

Here's some logic that I hope Hollywood thinks about.

A few months ago, the General Lee was named as the top "car star" of all time. It ranked higher than the Batmobile, higher than anything else that came before or after it.

Yep, the General Lee is clearly the most popular TV car on the planet. And that's with the flag on the roof. Gee, it can't be offending THAT MANY PEOPLE!!

Plus, Ertl makes toy models of this car. With the flag. Has for years. They sell a lot of them.

I think any offense factor of the rebel flag, lies within who is carrying it. Not the flag itself.

O' course, this is my own simplistic view, and my own personal opinion.

Ironically, while Hollywood might be overly concerned about any possible offense created by this flag painted on a car....they're crankin' out movies with tons of swearing, sex, drug references, and graphic violence. Anything goes in a movie, so long as you don't have THAT flag on a car. Eeeek. Better unplug that Dixie horn, too. And just for safety's sake, let's relocate Hazzard to New York state. The Dukes of Albany.

Awright, I'd better shaddap.


Brian

[Sway Duke]

Here's some logic that I hope Hollywood thinks about.

A few months ago, the General Lee was named as the top "car star" of all time. It ranked higher than the Batmobile, higher than anything else that came before or after it.

Yep, the General Lee is clearly the most popular TV car on the planet. And that's with the flag on the roof. Gee, it can't be offending THAT MANY PEOPLE!!

Plus, Ertl makes toy models of this car. With the flag. Has for years. They sell a lot of them.

I think any offense factor of the rebel flag, lies within who is carrying it. Not the flag itself.

O' course, this is my own simplistic view, and my own personal opinion.

Ironically, while Hollywood might be overly concerned about any possible offense created by this flag painted on a car....they're crankin' out movies with tons of swearing, sex, drug references, and graphic violence. Anything goes in a movie, so long as you don't have THAT flag on a car. Eeeek. Better unplug that Dixie horn, too. And just for safety's sake, let's relocate Hazzard to New York state. The Dukes of Albany.

Awright, I'd better shaddap.


Brian

Now that yall, is a good rant. You make me proud Brian.

[Capt_Redneck]

Brian....That was a mighty good read...Very ,very good....

[Meadowmufn]

Since the folks makin' the movie are givin' time to the political correctness police, shouldn't they have to give equal time to those who can explain why it's not right to have the General Lee without that flag?

It's like a peacock without its feathers.
It's like a hotdog without the bun.
It's like Wisconsin WITHOUT CHEESE (or brats, or beer)!
It's like Snap, without Crackle and Pop.
It's like Yin without Yang.


It just doesn't work.

Perhaps they should give Bri 5 minutes at the beginning of the movie to rant. =)

[Capt_Redneck]

Meadowmufn....Again that is too good...

If the car is so recognizable all over the world, then why mess with it at all? I know it is not as good a point as what Brian an Meadowmufn wrote, but I tried....

Darrell

[inga]

Wow, Brian, that is terrific logic in favor of the flag! Great post.

[Brian Coltrane]

Thank ya, everyone. It ain't often I'm known for logic, but this issue just strikes a chord with me.

I think WB needs to take a good, long look at all the Dukes merchandise that's been cranked out for the past two decades r'' so. Does that dreaded rebel flag appear on anything? *gasp*

Yeah, the flag appears on damn near everything. Especially seein' as how it was on the car all these years. Man, bet that flag bein' on so much stuff hurt merchandise sales. NOT!! Take a deep look into the cash register, Warner Bros. How much have you made from this car?

ERTL went so far as to make the rebel flag part of it's packaging on the 1:18 scale die casts, the 1:24 scale die casts, and the 3-car "hot pursuit set." Oh, and that promo picture on the front of the Dukes DVD...eeek, we can still tell that's a rebel flag Daisy is laying on!! Oh man, nobody will buy it if THIS gets out. Riiiight.

The same promo shot appears on the Columbia House VHS releases of the Dukes series. ( back cover, upper left.)

Darned if the rebel flag ain't part of the old Dukes CD cover, too. Goodness, how'd that happen.

Maybe because ya'll been marketin' the hell out of it for damn near 25 YEARS?!

And now this flag is a problem? Can't have it in the video game? Can't have it in the movie?

Taking the flag off the General's roof now, is nothing more than a hollow gesture of political correctness, to a radical wing that is gonna find somethin' to protest no matter what the hell ya do. ( Next thing ya know, a Southern accent is gonna be illegal, and then what? Ah'll be in big trouble, ya'll. )

Warner Bros, if you deface the General Lee, and strip the car of the very emblem that it's namesake fought for....ya'll are the biggest, most complete bunch of hypocrites that ever walked this earth. Do you want to make a real gesture to whatever groups are offended by the flag on the car?

Then why don't you donate just a little bit of that merchandising fortune to a charitable cause of the self-same groups? College fund, political hope chest, whatever. THAT would be a gesture!

Warner Bros, you ain't gonna please anybody with this one. How about you decide in favor of the fans who have consistently forked out big bucks for your products? Why don't you try, just for the sake o' novelty, to do somethin' that would make the fans of the show happy? The hell with everybody else.

We're the ones buyin' the tickets...the toys...the CD's...the posters. Be honest, the folks who nevah dug the show nevah will. Those offended by the show or anythin' in it, always will be offended.

Those of us that love the show...always will. Be good to us.


Brian

[Capt_Redneck]

Brian

I don't think anyone coulda said it better than that...
Any chance you want to send it in to WB or whoever is making the movie? I wish those people would read the forums and such to see how the fans feel about it.

Maybe in the shortterm they are trying to please the politically correct public, BUT in the long run ,maybe, merchandising and marketing might fall short . I think if the studio will try to capitlize on the merchandising, after al this is the DOH, a great number of fans will be turned off. The fans know what the car should look like and to see something that is different with the DOH name on it will not sell well , in my opinion.

Take for example the movie Godzilla . All the hype and secrecy about what Godzilla looked liked til the movie came out..Godzilla was different than waht everyone grew up with. The movie was a bomb. All the toys and figures did not sell well at all. That was Hollywood trying to reinvent the wheel, thinking they could make a better product. Well guess hwar , Hollywood was wrong.

I know the Godzilla part might be extreme , but I feel if they change something we(well most of us are)are familiar with then it might be a bit of a let down..


Darrell

[RebellWolfUT]

Somehow I hear a charge for The Hazzard Knytes to get involved here. I agree, the General Lee and all Hazzard type rides should display the Confederate Flag. While the symbol does reflect the KKK and other type things it is not that in this case. Calling all Duke fans, we should all write whomever is behind the idea of not using the flag on top of ye ole General, and say put it back on.

[Brian Coltrane]

Let's step back a bit.

The flag does NOT represent the KKK. Tho' various hate groups have used it. Worth noting that the same hate groups also fly the US flag at their functions and consider themselves the ultimate patriots. ( When in actuality, they're the ultimate idiots.)

The rebel flag began as the standard of the Army of Nothern Virginia. It was, and is, purely a "battle" flag, when you boil everything down. (The national flag of the Confederate States of America was an unremarkable blue bedsheet. ) Anyhow, other Confederate units began incorporating the battle standard into their own colors, and the Confederate states added it within their own flags. The brightness of the rebel flag and it's simple design made it highly visible on the battlefield; it was for this reason, perhaps, that it became the herald of the Confederate army.

Movin' back up to modern times...about three years ago, the state of GA removed the rebel colors from their state flag, after being put under political pressure and economic threat by special interest groups. Meanwhile, other southern states continue to have their same state flags -with the bit o' rebel intact - as they did since the 1860's.

And here we are today, still fightin' over the flag. Does it represent heritage, or hate? Courage, or treason? The fact that it represents battle, and therefore conflict, cannot be denied.

Southern troops were oft barefoot, under-supplied, and half-starved. This flag was all they had when Union guns were blazing. The rebel flag represented the fighting spirit of the common solider; it was the embodiment of his will to live against overwhelming odds; it was his oath of loyalty to his home state; it was his pledge to protect the soil that sustained his family.

Given the motives of the average Confederate soldier - namely, to survive and to protect his home - this flag should be remembered.

To remove all traces of it, is to deny the events of history; more, it only serves to reinforce the distortions of the groups who have wronged it in their use.


Brian

[Sway Duke]

Let's step back a bit.

The flag does NOT represent the KKK. Tho' various hate groups have used it. Worth noting that the same hate groups also fly the US flag at their functions and consider themselves the ultimate patriots. ( When in actuality, they're the ultimate idiots.)

The rebel flag began as the standard of the Army of Nothern Virginia. It was, and is, purely a "battle" flag, when you boil everything down. (The national flag of the Confederate States of America was an unremarkable blue bedsheet. ) Anyhow, other Confederate units began incorporating the battle standard into their own colors, and the Confederate states added it within their own flags. The brightness of the rebel flag and it's simple design made it highly visible on the battlefield; it was for this reason, perhaps, that it became the herald of the Confederate army.

Movin' back up to modern times...about three years ago, the state of GA removed the rebel colors from their state flag, after being put under political pressure and economic threat by special interest groups. Meanwhile, other southern states continue to have their same state flags -with the bit o' rebel intact - as they did since the 1860's.

And here we are today, still fightin' over the flag. Does it represent heritage, or hate? Courage, or treason? The fact that it represents battle, and therefore conflict, cannot be denied.

Southern troops were oft barefoot, under-supplied, and half-starved. This flag was all they had when Union guns were blazing. The rebel flag represented the fighting spirit of the common solider; it was the embodiment of his will to live against overwhelming odds; it was his oath of loyalty to his home state; it was his pledge to protect the soil that sustained his family.

Given the motives of the average Confederate soldier - namely, to survive and to protect his home - this flag should be remembered.

To remove all traces of it, is to deny the events of history; more, it only serves to reinforce the distortions of the groups who have wronged it in their use.


Brian

The damage has already been done. The same points you have brought up, have already been brought up time and again. History was written by the winning side, and adopted as popular belief. For every One person who knows the truth, there is ten more ready and willing to believe the lie.

[Brian Coltrane]

If history was written by the winnin' side, how the hell would I know the truth? How would you? Unless that's a time-travel device in your pocket. Speakin' for myself personally, I wasn't around in the 1860's or durin' the reconsitution era. But no one has ever accused my knowledge of the period of bein' shallow...or biased.

No one on HazzardNet is yer enemy. And if you feel otherwise, I'm sorry. Of all the things Dukes of Hazzard was about....it was NOT about a division of people. Bo and Luke didn't stroll around hatin' Yankees.

We don't, either.


Brian

[Sway Duke]

If history was written by the winnin' side, how the hell would I know the truth? How would you? Unless that's a time-travel device in your pocket. Speakin' for myself personally, I wasn't around in the 1860's or durin' the reconsitution era. But no one has ever accused my knowledge of the period of bein' shallow...or biased.

No one on HazzardNet is yer enemy. And if you feel otherwise, I'm sorry. Of all the things Dukes of Hazzard was about....it was NOT about a division of people. Bo and Luke didn't stroll around hatin' Yankees.

We don't, either.


Brian

Really?? *rolls his eys* Well now, Suppose they were real people, how the hell do you think they'd feel about their car having no flag?

[Brian Coltrane]

If they were real people, it wouldn't be an issue. There's plenty o' folks today who drive around with rebel flag license plates, and have Dixie horns wired to their car. Not to mention the few hundred General Lee replicas that are out there. Give or take any other make n' model of car painted with the flag. The nifty thing about the First Amendment and freedom of speech - which you have enjoyed rather liberally here - is that self-expression is still permitted, even if it does offend a few folks. Hollywood, tho', has it's own agenda.

I think the whole Dukes thang is strong enough to survive whatever the General Lee is painted, and whatever the movie does to it. It survived the Coy and Vance era. It survived the distain of critics everywhere. It survived TNN cutting the reruns to ribbons to make room for numerous commercials. More, it survived bad plots like "Strange Visitor to Hazzard" which would have killed an ordinary show.

I don't expect you to believe me, though. So let me add, in closing, the most compelling remarks I can offer regarding your concerns.

THHHBPTH!! =P


Yers truly,

Brian

[R.J.1984]

Being new to the forum makes me a little nervous about giving my own opinion. I for one think thst the General Lee should stay the way it is. Otherwise you may as well just make it black with a 01 on it and it would almost be no different than the car from the fast and the furious. Just leave things as they are - the way people remember them. The good ol' days just like the good ol' boys - never meanin no harm.

[Eddiemunster]

I feel the car should stay the same, with the flag and all. That's how I remember it on the show, so it should be in the movie. Removing the flag is totally redundant. It's the same difference if you have to remove your last name because it might offend someone. It's your family name, and if you are proud of your family name, than you have the right to keep it no matter what anyone says about it.

[dgilbert]

We are all looking at the General Lee with the "Stars and Bars" as being part of the history and heritage of the show, which it should remain. Let's look at the General Lee from a different standpoint; as a personally owned customized car. Think of Bo and Luke customizing a car to represent themselves. A 1969 Muscle Car to represent the "ridge runner" moonshine heritage of the South, paint it Bright Orange so everyone will notice them when they drive through the county, put a push bar on the front to help out the stranded cars along the various dirt roads, definitely a CB antenna to communicate with family and friends ala the '70s & '80s timeframe, the "01" on the side so that everyone knows who has the fastest car in the county, and the Rebel Flag on top to signify being proud of their Southern heritage and being rebels themselves by not being afraid to stand up to crooked law enforcement. And finally, name it after one of the most respective generals the United States has ever had and he just happened to be from the South.

Now there was nothing Politically Correct or Incorrect for that matter in my paragraph, it makes perfect sense from that point of view, and shouldn't offend anyone.

So with that being said, keep the "Stars and Bars" on top of the General Lee!

Dan

[Capt_Redneck]

Dan.
..Great perspective on the General Lee. Let's just hope someone associated with the movie will look at it that way.

I know this has been referenced numerous times on other posts, but look at the Starsky & Hutch movie, they used the car that is familiar to the original TV show. That car, a Ford Torino, was a part of the series as much as the characters.

I feel the same about the General Lee, it is apart of the show as recognizable as the rest of the cast. Back when it was on and when TNN was showing it , but I don't recall any backlash from civil rights groups about the car being offensive, I was a little kid when it was originally on.

Other than what has been cast , has there been any definate plans for the General Lee yet?

Darrell

[travelerF150]

The only thing I've really heard about the appearance of the General Lee is hinging on one question. When is the movie going to take place. They're considering two options. One is that the show will take place in the late 70's and the cars will look pretty much the same as in the show. The other is that it will take place in the present and if that's the case the writters may take more creative liberties with the car. I personally think that the General Lee is the one part of the show that really can't be changed. The core audience for this movie will be the hard core fans that will not only get all their friends to go see it but will go see it several times themselves. I think they have much more to lose by changing the car than keeping it the way it is, or as close as possible. If they change the car it won't be the "Dukes". It'll just be some generic rip-off of the show that will cause most of the true fans to lose interest. With out the true fans total support behind the movie it will surely bomb. Plus if they keep it the same and there is some comotion over it, they can always fall back on the fact that it's what the original car looked like. It's not like they're all of a sudden putting a rebel flag on the car, they're just helping with the nostolgic feeling that is gonna make this movie a success. If they're smart they'll cater to the real audience for this movie, and not to a bunch of people that aren't gonna go see it no matter what the car looks like.

[Capt_Redneck]

TravelerF150
Where did you here about the settings for the movie? ....

If it does take place in the present, I sure hope they don't take out the country feel. By that I mean not using CB's and using NEXTELS to communicate. A little thing like that would not be good , at least to me it won't.

If they make the General Lee without the flag , it will change he aspect of teh Dukes . It will be just a movie with the Dukes in name only


Darrell

[LoneRanger17]

I can see the point of view from both sides. The Flag was a part of the car and the car was a major part of the show. However, I can see that some people would have a problem with the symbol. Because so many hate groups have used that symbol to remind people of a time in the past. And I can see the point of view where people will say it is about the heritage and not what a pitiful minority wants you to think it is. It's a debate with no clear winner of an answer. I do have friends who love the show as much as I do (and are different ethnicities) and all love the show and the flag doesn't bother them.
However, in the end, the spirit of the show came from the love of a family and the values that the family chooses to uphold. So if the car does or does not have the flag on top of it, it won't change the spirit of the show. It would be nice to have the flag on top of the car.....but that's not why we fell in love with the show in the first place.

[Eddiemunster]

About the Dukes using Nextels instead of CB's, I'd think that'll be hilarious!

"Breaker, breaker Lost Sheep. Can you hear me now?" HA!!!! :D :roll:

[LoneRanger17]

That would be too funny if that guy was in the back seat the entire time...lol

[Capt_Redneck]

I am just hoping they don't use the Nextel's or even laptops. I still like the CB's.

As far as the flag on the General Lee, look at all the DOH products marketed and made with the Confederate Flag . That is a lot of products. Take a look at the DVD set, right on the front is Daisy laying across the flag on the General Lee, this just came out in June 2004. I haven't heard any negative comments on it from any news source. And Wal-Mart. KMart. Target, etc, all had this prominently displayed, considering how politically correct and conservative those stores are...

I understand what you are saying about the spirit of the show, but we have to wait to see how the movie will actually be. Again hoping they make it a dumb comedic satire. If they do keep the spirit of the early episodes of the series and without the flag in the movie, I MIGHT be ok with it, still will grumble there is no flag though....LOL

Darrell

[rigidhd]

It is sad to hear that there will be no flag on the general. So lets see take the confederate flag off the general as to not offend anyone, however we will not take in to consideration other offensive content in our movies. What happened to freedom of expression, freedom of speech or just plain freedom? I can watch gangbanger movies where crack and hookers and calling people cracker honky or whity are acceptable. The Flag did not hurt anyone. The flag is an inanimate object, it cannot feel hate nor love. Oh wait it is what it represents right. It is part of our history in the United States, However I still see British flags in American made movies. Did they forget about the war for independence? I say put the flag on the car and make it right. I Guess we are going to get a politically correct re-make of the dukes of hazard.

[LoneRanger17]

I would tend to think the flag will be on the car. Like he said, the major retail chains are selling the product with the flag intact. Trust me, if Wal-Mart wanted a cover with no flag on it, they would have gotten it...lol Also, as stated, my friends who love the show and are minorities, have no problem with it either. I think in this case, the spirit of the show and the family values of the show makes the flag a second thought. When you watch the show the flag does not stick out because the other parts of the show shine brighter.
Now if the movie turns the characters into charictatures of themselves, then I could see how this could change.

[Eddiemunster]

I just love it when people talk about the Cofederate Flag as same as the Swastika. (Spellcheck on that!)

I can see that somewhat, but it is not really the same. The Nazis killed Jewish people in Concentration Camps, and the South once used black people for slaves. Actually, there were slave owners who were actually very good to their slaves. But I haven't heard of any Nazi Skinhead ever being nice to any Jewish person.

So, even almost 140 years after the Civil War, I still see the Rebel Flag as a sighn of a way of living. Instead of these Politically Correct people telling us to "get over" the fact the South lost the war, maybe those people should "get over" the fact that slavery once existed. Slavery is over and done with, so the Rebel Flag is now a sighn of a way of living. It is definately not wrong to wave the flag to show how proud you are of your Sothern Heritage. I guess some people just can't see that. I can see that, and I've been a Yankee all of my life. What does that say?

[Johnny]

Howdy fellas. I've read about no Dixie flag on the General, and I must say it sucks. How many are walking around with a f... Malcolm X and noone cares! I'm from Germany, and we have some problems with the old First!! (Not the Nazi Flag from the Second!) World War Battle flag. It's now forbidden to show, because Skinheads etc. used it.... In Germany u see a lot of Confederate Flags, and people don't see a bad thing behind it. O.k. a very few do, and ask me about it. I tell 'em I like Rockabilly and Country music and American Cars, and I don't care about more really.They are all happy with that. A General Lee without the flag on top is just like Pam Andesron without Titties! They better stop worriing about that flag, and make a good movie instead some other Hollywood Bull****! Just look at Starsky & Hutch: BULL****!!! The only good things were the wheels on the car and the *****in' girls. And I also hope, that they won't put on such ugly 18" fag wheels! How do they work on dirtroads, with that little rubber?! Then they can also use a Jap Car from "Fast & The Furious" (One of the worst movies of all time!" in my opinion!) They only thing they could change on the car is a sixpack or a Hemi! And if wheels, then I wanna see 15" Cragar SS, Anson Sprint/Wolfrace, American Torque Trust or Magnum 500. Wheels that fit that car and that era.That's it. Here's a link to a german website, with a dutch Economy clip, that is related to the Dukes. Maybe u like it! They used their own Holland flag.

http://www.graf-vlad.de/movies/dukes-clip2.html

[Eddiemunster]

Now that movie clip made me laugh! I'd consider that good humor! :D

[inga]

:) Hi, Johnny, and thanks for sharing that video clip. It made me smile, even though I didn't understand the words. :)

[MaryAnne]

Hi Johny, welcome to HNet! That was a fine rant son! :)

Interesting point on the WWI German flag being forbidden because the skinheads use it. Similar thing here where the white supremacists use the Confederate flag (they also fly the regular stars and stripes but does anybody get upset? Golly no...)

And also...on the tires... thank god somebody else out there goes for the big wheels and big tires! Yeeehaaa!!

[Johnny]

Thanx! I like that clip too! These guys are just too funny. Even though I don't undertand much of their language. It's something about, that modern cars do not use as much gas as old ones or sth.... And one other Damn thing: If it hadn't been for the General Lee, then the whole Series would have never gotten any chance! And also the confederate flag is the best looking flag in the word! The only thing that I really hate about that new movie is, that a lot of Chargers will be destroyed, and also the prices for these beauties will go up and up again! Damn! But I prefer the '69 Chrysler 300 2 door anyway. It's bigger it's meaner and cheaper. I used to had one triple black, raked, with primer black painted 15" chrome wheels. It had a few dents, and it looked a lot like a moonshiners car. I need another one! I had to sell it sadly, because of money....
Here's some pics of her, my Daisy (Nadine) and meee. Check out the rest of the site too. There's some cool stuff. Keep rockin'
http://www.stillruns.com/other/1096241979/post.php

[Eddiemunster]

That's a really cool car. I don't know which looks better, the car or your girlfriend!!! Too bad you had to sell that car.

[Johnny]

Yeah, true it's a shame I had to sell that car! I've shoulda sell her first! :wink:

[Capt_Redneck]

Johnny
Great car. There was one for sale by me during the summer. Not the greatest condition adn I was thinking about getting it. It was a golden beige color with some faded spots and the interiior needed a lot of work. But guess what, I was too late. That car sold in about a week. There is something about those bigger cars that I love....

Darrell

[MaryAnne]

Johnny,

Damn, that was a nice car. Too bad you had to sell it. Also dig the Dwight Yokam look ya got there with the hat. :wink:

[Eddiemunster]

I don't see many of those cars where I live. We use too much salt on the roads during the winter months. When people here see a car like that, they automaticlly think it's only good for a demo-derby car. I hate such ignorance. I should someday move somewhere south, where more people appreciate cool cars, and they last longer as well.

[SouthernRoots]

i agree i think it is bull, that there taking the Confederate Battle Flag of the general, i mean, in the tv shows it was there, and the flag is still everywhere on tv today... has anybody watched cmt or vh1 country lately? The Song, Sweet Home Alabama has a big back drop of the flag, The Video for the Song 19 Sumthing, has the general lee in it with the flag, its down right dumb to take the flag off, Its heritage, im sure if there was a a big american flag on the top they would keep it on there, or any flag for that matter... i dont know if the moive will be worth the time and money to watch, i mean think about it, your sitting there in the movie theater and everytime you see that car the flag is gone, and the everytime you see it , its going to make you mad, at least it would make me mad... i mean it will be blank... the flag was put there for a reason and it needs to stay there

[redneck_woman_2446]

how can they not have the flag on the car. that sucks

[Johnny]

@MaryAnne: Thanx for the nice words! Dwight Rules! I play some of his songs with my Bands, "The Hustlers" and "Loveless". I even have some better pictures. Maybe I should link 'em here...?

[k_harvic_29]

Ok, here is MY take. Why take the flag off the GENERAL LEE. So the car has the confederate flag. It ain't like the Duke are calling people (minorities) Ni......... well, you git mah point. What make the flag any differant in the movie than any where else??? I have seen, owned and played games with a hellofa lot wore offensive content than a bloody flag!!! I have seen people drive around in cars with images of nude girls with their tits hanging out amung other unmentionables. But do THEY git any beef from the law or whatever? NO!!! So why the sam hill do they want to take the damned flag off the car??? I think that is a load of BullHockey! I don't give a flying rats yahoo WHAT the rebal flag stands for!If they want to take the flag off the General, then ah thank they should outlaw EVERY OTHER cotton pickin` publicly obcene stuff like car paintings, t-shirts, hats, etc. It's a damned shame. *Shakes head in discust* And another thang, what about "Freedom of Religeon"??? Sorry for straying off topic, but Ah am A bit steemed at the government and this "Politicly Correct" bullhockey. They took God out of our country. You can not even take A Bible to school in some places. If you do, you git sent home!!!! What the hill is that??? Sure, takeing the Confederate flag off the GENERAL LEE is just the start. What next, get thrown in jail for scratching yer behind in public???? Public indecencey(SP) Ah reacon they would call it. So Ah say, leave the damned GENERAL LEE alone. "He" never hurt no one. Let folks be who they wanna be.

Oh, and one more thing before Ah sign off...
A good ol` "YEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAW!!!!!" from a good ol` boy.



Thanks for your time and sorry if Ah was a bit over the top.


YOURS TRUELY, Skye

[Brian Coltrane]

Rock on, man.

[k_harvic_29]

Why thank ya Mr. Coltrane. Ya see, I is a "Good Ol` Boy mah self see. A lil` while ago Ah was listinin` to "GAC Classic Country Weekend" on my radio, an` "YEEE-HAAAW"in` right along with it. Why Ah felt almost like Ah was right there at the "Bore's Nest". See, Ah grew up `round the "Dukes of Hazzard". Ah have seen almost every ep. Ah can tell you what "Bo"'s full name is. "Boragard" (SP) if ya wanna know. And the J.D. in "J,D. Hogg's" name is Jeferson (SP) Davis.
"Jeferson Davis 'BOSS' Hogg". Ah could tell ya Boss's wife' name is, what deputy took over for Enos when he transfered to Atlanta to become a state cop. The only thing Ah don't remember is the name of the boys that took the place of Bo and Luke in the later eps. And of corse, the good ol` GENERAL LEE. all the way down to the racing wheels and the good ol` "Dixie" horn. An` ever` time Ah saw that car, Ah'll be a hot damn if it had the Rebal flag. Now Ah was born in Ca, an` grew up in NV, then later moved to In wher Ah had a relitive that had in ol` ford truck painted jus` like the General. Even had the flag an` Dixie horn. Now see, not ONE of them states was Confederate mind ya. But was Ah offended? NO! What DOES offend me is takin` the flag OFF THE DAMNED CAR!! Ah says leave the cotton pickin` flag alone. Ya know, the Duke ain't the ONLY victom here, remember in the early `90s when there was this big controversy about the Washington Redskins football team? A groupe of folk found "Redskins" offencive. They says "Change your team name or we sue." The team franchise won the debate because the Natives were not offended and the team remains the "Redskins" to this day. But mah point is, see what all this political correctness is causing? A truckfull of headaches, that wat it be causin`. Why don't the Gov. just leave us good folk alone with all that Bull hockey and GIVE US OUR RIGHTS AS AMERICANS BACK!!!! Our Soulders did not fight in several wars and many are STILL fighting for this country to be treated like THIS! "The land of the free"???? Freedom of expression"????? BULL If that is "Freedom", Ah don't want it. Freedom is being able ta walk outside in mah underwear, regardless of what others think, and not get thrown in jail by the police. Freedom is a child being able to take a Bible to school and not git sent home. THAT mah friends is FREEDOM. So as Ah says, i WANT MY RIGHTS BACK!!!


P.S., Sorry for the exstencively long post and all the yellin`, but this about the flag not being on the General and political correctness has got me madder than a wet hen.


YOURS TRUELY: Skye

[Brian Coltrane]

Dude, you outta see a speech therapist about that drawl.


Brian

[cowboydukewy]

I THINK IT IS BS THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE FLAG ON TOP OF THE CAR AND THE CROM IS JUST BULL BUTTER . I HAVE LOVED THE DUKES FOR A LONG TIME AND THE GENERAL WITH OUT THE FLAG IS JUST A BUNCH OF SH** IN MY BOOK . I DONT EVAN THINK I WILL WANT TO SEE IT .

[jncmed]

i think its wrong for them to make a movie that makes fun of the things us rednecks grew up with if your gonna use jessica simpson as daisy in the dukes of hazzard all your doing is saying that daisy wasnt nothin but pure simple trash( wich she wasnt) , so i think they should have picked someone else who istnt trash. i cant believe they would stoop so low but they did and about the general lee how are they gonna call that movie the dukes of hazzard if the general lee dont have the flag. thats wrong too .

[basktqase]

I honestly think that everyone is going nuts for no reason. Just look at the other picture of the cast with the car. You can clearly see a line that is whit running diagonally and right next to the line is a thicker different color. since you can't clearly see it we can only assume that it would be blue since it is the confederate flag.

[Brian Coltrane]

Welcome to HazzardNet, Basktqase. In regards to us "havin' a fit for no reason".... that's what the forums are for. Heh heh.

Really, tho', we've been debating whether or not the flag would be present for several months. And now, I gotta point out a little twist o' logic.

The flag might be on the car, on the photos we've seen here.

However, this may not be the same car used in many of the shots in the movie. This could be a proverbial stunt double they're usin' for drivin' practice only.

Don't get me wrong, I'm hopin' the flag is on the car. I'm just not gonna take anything at face value.


Brian

[basktqase]

Thanks coltrane for welcoming me. As to your speculation on whether or not the car in the picture is one of the many that they are using for the movie or if it is just a practice car. I can put that one to rest right now. I am making my wy into the showbiz world so I am fairly knowledgable at how they operate, and I can tell you that if they were just going to give them a car to practice in, they wouldn't risk damaging a finished product. They would have given them one that wasn't painted yet or just a regualr charger that was set up like this one. And the pictures are taken on a studio lot. You can tell that in the second picture especally because of the trailers and the lights. So this is defintely one of the cars that they are using in the movie.

Also. Hollywood is stupid, but they aren't that stupid. They would realize that not having the flag on the car would piss a lot of people off and that it would be as stupid as making a knight rider movie and making KITT a motorcycle.

[Luke-Duke]

Well, they have made KITT a '55 Chevy Bel Air or something similar in one of the movies.

Luke

[Brian Coltrane]

Luke-Duke, welcome to HazzardNet. You're right, KITT was reincarnated as a Chevy, but I thought it was a '57. Anyhoo, you made an excellent point, and I'm gonna expand on that.

Basktqase, Hollywood is dumber than ya think. In the example of the tv Knight Rider movies, KITT was reinvented dramtically...and there was nothing controversial about Pontiacs to warrant it. Hell, they went so far as to kill off Devon in the 2nd movie, just to really piss off the fans.

Back to the General Lee and yer statement. Yeah, the car is shown on the movie set, I recognize the junk in the background too. But before anybody decides the flag is there as a sure bet, consider this:

Anything can end up on the cutting room floor. Or in this day and age, edited, graphically altered, photoshopped. ( Nothing says we'll see a lot of shots of the car roof in any case.) I think WB will use the flag in the movie if they think they can get away with it. But I also think the minute they get big pressure from special interest groups, they might edit that flag out.

I'm skeptically optimistic that the flag will still be there. I'm bankin' on the counter-culture strategy tipping the scales. Namely, if there is hue and cry about the flag from special interest groups and the politically correct crowd, then that will translate into free advertisement for the movie. So then, seeing the movie would be the most politically insensitive thing an enlightened person could do, which would send plenty of folk skittering to the box office.


Brian

[basktqase]

Im honestly not trying to come across as a prick or anything so if I do come off that way, I deeply apologize.

But,
The picture leads me to believe that the shot was taken between film shootings. I would almost be positive of it. So with that being said, the only way they would take the flag out of the movie now is to just go through and digitally edit out the flag in all of the car scenes, which would cost a hell of a lot of money. What they might do is this though. leave the flag on the car, but keep the shots that show the whole flag on the roof to a bare minimum. Which was pretty much they way it was done in the show. It wasn't like they threw the flag in your face during every single shot that the car was in.

[travelerF150]

Well from the looks of those pics the car is exactly the same as it was in the show. Hard to see the roof though because of the glare but I think I can see the flag. If the car looks that much the same as it did in the show it has to have the flag on it. Other wise it would just look stupid. I would think that if they took the flag off they change other things as well. Like rims and tires atleast. Not to mention that Warner Bros has 7 cars from the show and the reunion movies still on it's lot. They don't look like they're filming cause Stiffler isn't even blond and Knoxville has greasy hair. Even though I think I can see the flag on the car this pic doesn't make me feel any better cause it doesn't prove anything.

[travelerF150]

Another thought entered my mind after my last post. If they're gonna take the flag off they might as well get rid of the horn and the name General Lee too. The song Dixie is just as divisive and as much a reminder of the old south and Robert E. Lee is one of the most contraversial characters in American History. But if they keep the horn and the name like I know they will, they'll keep the flag too for the same reason. That reason is that they are an intregal part of the show and that they weren't put in the car to make a statement about anything, just to add to that good ol' southern feel. I'm pretty confident that the flag will be on the car. All the merchandise they sell has it on the car, the new video game(which is pretty cool I might add) has the flag on the car, the Warner Bros them park has 2 General Lee's on display, the car's popping up in music videos with the flag on it(with the exception of the Bare Naked Ladies vidoe, but the group issued a statement saying they couldn't get permission to use the real car in the video from Warner Bros, if they could've they would've), the reunion movies had the flag on the car(and the last movie came out when the issue in South Carolina was red, I mean RED hot!), the DVD shows the flag right on the cover, not to mention the boxes that the merchandise come in are covered with the flag. I really don't think anyone would say anything anyways, but if someone does I'm sure the execs at Warner Bros know as well as we do that a little controversy only helps sell tickets to a movie. If there's ever a saying in Hollywood that has been proven to be true time and time and time again it's "There's no such thing as bad publicity". It's come to the point that I don't really even worry about it anymore. My main concern is the chemistry between the cast. Coy and Vance showed us that even if everything in the show is the same, with out chemisty it sucks. Sorry to all you Coy and Vance fans out there but that's my personal opinion.

[Capt_Redneck]

Well all the talk about having no flag on the roof of our beloved General Lee was all for nothing apparently. There is a new member - beanie_biologist , who posted about filming in another thread . It was said that they saw the General , Daisy's jeep and patrol cars and the General had the flag....YYYYYYEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA

Darrell

[basktqase]

now didn't I say that everyojne was freaking out for no reason at all. 8)

[Brian Coltrane]

Given the information / lack thereof at the time, we had plenty o' reason to freak out. A couple years ago, special interest groups and political forces succeeded in making the State of Georgia remove all traces of the Confederate stars n' bars from their state flag. And during the making of the second Dukes reunion movie, these same groups attempted to pressure CBS / WB into removing the flag from the General Lee. I expect there will be some hue n' cry from these groups once they realize that the Confederate flag is going to be "celebrated" on the big screen.

Or maybe...just maybe...folks will realize that the Dukes of Hazzard is about down-home fun, and no political offense need be taken. We'll see how it unfolds. In the meantime....we're all going to enjoy this movie much more, with the General Lee in full uniform. The faces of our favorite characters will look different...Hazzard itself is going to look different....but if this film captures the true spirit of the show, the movie will succeed beyond all expectations.


Brian

[JABRO]

Here's a picture for anyone still worried:

http://www.ascensioncitizen.com/

[Scott]

In regards to the flag on top of the car...Okay...here goes. I seemed to have gotten access to the construction set in Baton Rouge. It's very tight-lipped and hush-hush. Where the testing happens, the painting and the other star cars are is almost impossible to see from outside the compound. BUT, the flag is on the roof of the car. The name is STILL the General Lee. Absolutely nothing has changed from the original car. Actually, one thing is different. The grills have been painted mostly black,versus the silver color from the series. The big guys liked it better black. I also found out the doors were never welded shut, even on the tv series. That was for safety purposes. Also found out that none of the cars have the Dixie horn. That's all added in during the cut and splice (editing) stage. Bummer for me. After riding and sliding in the Lee with stunt driver Kevin Scott, I can attest to the 440's power. I got video of it. Awesome ride. Gone through many tires these guys have. I'm still taking pictures so I'll have a nice library of pics! Some things in life are definitely worth kissing butt over!!!

[BubbaDuke]

Thanks for the update. Please post the pix and maybe a link or something to the video of your ride.

[Scott]

I'm new at this...how do I post a picture?

[MaryAnne]

Hi Scott!

Well, there's two ways you can post a picture. One is right in your message here on the forum, or you can upload your picture to our picture gallery.

The difference being that if you post a picture within your message here, the picture has to be uploaded somewhere already. So your instructions would go like this....

1. Compose a message as usual. At the top of the message box click on the Img box which will put an image tag into the body of your message where you want your picture to go.

2. Copy and paste the link to your photo (ie, www.geocities.com/mypage/images/dukepic.jpg)<--not a real link!

3. Click on the img box again and you'll get the end tag placed at the end of your link.

4. Finish your post as you want it. Click submit.

When you post shows in the listing the photo should show as well, assuming you put the correct link.

The other way is to visit our Photo Gallery.

http://www.hazzardnet.com/gallery/

The sign in is the same as it is here at the Forums. Sign in, click on upload photos, follow the easy instructions, click Upload/Submit, then wait for MaryAnne or somebody to get off their duff to approve your uploaded pic (actually it usually takes at most a day LOL).

And there you have it!


MaryAnne[/img]

[Scott]

Thanks Mary ann. It's in here somewhere...I got more but I want to hold off and talk to the guys to see if it's cool for me to put the good ones in here.

Scott

[Capt_Redneck]

Scott
Can't wait to see the pics....and Welcome to Hazzardnet.. I am sure everyone on here is looking forward to seeing new "General Lee" ...

Darrell

[TheRealLuke]

The flag is on the car my friend is driving it. I talked to the transpotaion section of hazzard production and they even said it was. Ill be in the movie im driving a truck so i stay incontact with the transportation and casting section. HOPE YA LIKE THE FILM

[Capt_Redneck]

TheRealLuke, are ya keep us updated when you get the chance? That is just great that you are driving a vehicle in the movie. Gonna invite us all to the premiere?? I hope the movie does the original Dukes justice...

Darrell

[k_harvic_29]

Well the politically correct can kiss my butt, and as long as WB says the same and put the flag and whatnot on the car, well I think that be just great. And hearin` from differant people that it WILL be there, well, that kinda is a relief. But I will not put a hundred percent trust that some politically correct group won't cry about it and force it to be removed.

[Scott]

I was down at the maintenance place on Florida Blvd. and happened upon an old General Lee. On the trunk was an autograph from John Schnieder telling us to "keep it 'tween the ditches". This old car was rough. Had two flats and multi-color orange paint. It looked like it had been stored (outside maybe?) somewhere for quite a while. Found out this was one of many that John still has. It's on loan to Warner Brothers as a future promo. Looking at the original from back then and the new ones, there are many differences between the two. The transportation guys said that on the new one, the grill is painted black. The original's had a silver painted grille. The push bars on the front are bigger and there are many smaller differences. BUT, the flag and the number are still the same. I'll get a picture of it developed and scanned soon. Merry Christmas, y'all.

[dukesfan1979]

thanks scott for sharing the story about seeing an actual General Lee from the good ol' days of the original Hazzard County. I wish I could of been there with ya man. i too did get to see an actual General Lee at Warner Bros in Burbank california while I was on tour of the studios.
Saw a General from a distance in the transportation department . But I was not allowed to get close to the car. ( this was back in early 2001).I hope someday to build my own General Lee, but I really want to see one of the Original Generals up close....perhaps even drive em....yeee hawwww!!!! take care.....

[GADuke01]

I've heard that the flag will be replaced toward the end of the film by a sign that reads "Save Hazzard". Again, this is hearsay, but it was said that the "Save Hazzard" sign would be part of the storyline where the Dukes campaign to save the county from corrupt county commisioner, J.D. Hogg. Has anybody else heard anything similar to this?


GADuke01

[dukesfan1979]

Thats a new one....I havent heard such news....i just hope the flag is left alone...

[1hellraiser]

If you guys check out the new pics on mtv.com (linked her on the website)
You will see, a pic of the general, in ALL its glory, no chrome, on the wheels, or grill guard, normal tires (one jump on the low profile, and the general, is demoted to a private!), and yes the Confederate flag is on the roof. They have listened.

[GADuke01]

The Confederate flag on top of the General Lee being a topic of debate is absolutely ridiculous. That flag is a symbol of racism only when it is put in the hands of racists and that's very unfortunate. Most people, as well as groups that protest and see the Confederate flag as a symbol of hatred and segregation have absolutely no idea of what that flag originally stood for or represented. It's a shame.

To say that the General Lee or The Dukes of Hazzard represents racism is totally absurd. It really irritates me when I read articles or reviews that refer to The Dukes of Hazzard as being racist. Where are these writers getting their information? It's obvious that none of them ever watched an episode of the original show. They simply recognized that the General Lee had a Confederate flag on the roof and in their narrow minds, it had to mean that the Dukes were racists. Give me a break.

If the Confederate flag was absent from the General Lee's roof in the new movie, well then, they simply couldn't have referred to the car as the General Lee. That would be like making a new Lone Ranger movie and not having the main character wear a mask. When rumors first started to get out about the new Dukes movie, I heard everything from the Confederate flag being replaced by the American flag, to having no flag at all. I'm just glad that they did the right thing and kept the Confederate flag. Like I said, without it, it's just not the General Lee.

Merry Christmas!


GADuke01

[dukesfan1979]

Well said GADuke01!!, We all know that there was nothing racist about the Dukes of Hazzard and the General Lee, as a matter fact, they are the exact opposite. The Dukes stood for honesty, decency, family values, truthfulness, and helping others. Look at Denver Pyle, who played Uncle Jesse, his character insisted on himself and his family to be good people and to always look out for others. As far as im concerned the confederate flag on the General Lee is a part of our countrys history and a part of southern tradition. Plain and simple. I think that the people that lash out at a wonderful show like the Dukes of Hazzard, ought to look else where at some of the garbage that is on television today.
Happy Holidays Ya'll and take care....

[KuikViper]

i hope they understand what kind of hit there movie will take if they dont use the flag.

Thats like at talladaga superspeedway they want the flag down. The african americas <~~ ill use that ... Wanted to protest the flags at talladega.. Now thats smart. Lets protest a flag at a race where more than 98% of the fans are members of the NRA. The cops told them that they could not protect them. So they cancelled.

THis is the type of world we live in.. They think the flag means hate. They think the south mistreated them..... They came from africa. They worked in the fields. Yet the home owners gave them a place to sleep , food , ect. Sounds like rent.. hummm

You know we do not protest the movies where the lowriders, gold teeth, afros,shooting each other,drug dealing.. ect.. but yet they are going to protest a movie that my kids will grow up and remmeber like the tv series i remember. This makes me sick... I cannot stand them saying its hate....
If i hated you i would not show you my flag i would show you a noose , a kkk uniform ,burn a cross..... Its a FLAG .. it does not attack you. does not hurt you... Its PRIDE....
I am not racist. or do i hate anyone. But leave my flag alone.

[dukefan]

Man I just read a few of you all's post and it was enough!
The General lee without the flag is outrageous ! It's the most popular car in the world!

Even those who didn't care much for the shows,all thaught the General lee was the coolest car ever! It's a trade mark of the dukes of hazzard,just like the statue of liberty is the trade mark for new york!

Take her away and you got trouble,same thing applies for the flag on the General lee!

I decided to give this movie a chance,but as I sit down,if I see the General lee without the flag,I'm walking out of the theatre and boooooooooing the movie!!!

[BubbaDuke]

I am glad that you are going to give it a shot. From all the spy photos from filming and the different sets the flag will be on the car.

[crawdaddy]

It will have the flag. Got a pic next to it in New Orleans while stunt filming. I did hear though that Bo and Luke had to do some explaining about the flag in the movie. Damn Hollywood pc.

[Scott]

Speaking of the flag...I was at the place on Florida Blvd the other day (where they work on the cars) and the guys tried to jack the car up sideways to the same angle as a stunt shot filmed 2 weeks ago through a barn. Needless to say, the General groaned and rolled over like a tired old dog but stopped rolling just short of the concrete scraping up the flag. The car was already "trashed" from prior stunts and ready for ANOTHER rebuild, but the flag was still perfect. After the General was pushed back over bets were taken as to if the engine would start again. The 440 didn't disappoint.

Life is good...